How To Use AI For Better Human Communication

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Hello and welcome to the Fit Mess.

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My name is Jeremy and I am your host today and most days, pretty much all the days.

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So thanks for being here.

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Thanks for listening.

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The Fit Mess is the show where we talk about AI as it relates to your mental health, your
spiritual health, your emotional health, and sometimes your relationships and how you

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interact with other human beings.

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Today is one of those days.

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That's what we're gonna talk about with my guest.

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His name is Alex Sanfilippo.

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He's the big brain behind podmatch.com.

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And if you are a podcaster, you have heard of podmatch.com.

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If you're a podcaster who has not heard of podmatch.com, then where you been?

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It's a big deal.

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If you're looking for guests and such, that's the place to go.

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He's not here to promote that though.

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He's here because he posted something on his social media feed the other day that I found
incredibly interesting.

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And it had to do with how we're using AI to interact with each other.

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Many of us, me, hand raised, are using it to craft emails to be able to reach out to
people with the words that we want to use to communicate a mission, something we need to

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happen.

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Some of us are using it to just blindly spray and pray to lots of people with nonsense
that's not relatable at all to the recipient.

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And he finds that pretty offensive, if I can put words in his mouth.

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And so I wanted to talk to him about it because I do use AI as a human interaction tool.

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It's something that I use to craft, you know, when I can't find the words that I want and
I want to polish it, I want to make it a little more professional maybe, maybe a little

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more empathetic than I'm particularly feeling toward that person at that moment.

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I'm going to use the AI to find the words that I can't find in that moment.

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But is that wrong?

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I mean, maybe we shouldn't be using robots to communicate with each other, although I'm
pretty sure that's the future we should get on board and get with it.

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But maybe it's not best.

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Maybe we should be a little more thoughtful and a little bit more messy with our
communication with each other.

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Because if all of our interactions are over email and then we do finally meet somebody in
person and the voice doesn't match the relationship that I've built online, it's not going

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to end well for that relationship.

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So.

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I asked Alex to join me to defend his position because it's gonna be a very contested,
heated debate.

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No, it's not.

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It's gonna be a fun, lighthearted conversation.

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But it's one that I think is an important one to be having as AI becomes a bigger and
bigger piece of all of our lives.

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So here now is my conversation with Alex Sanfilippo from podmatch.com.

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Well, let's start with the conversation.

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You posted an interesting comment on Facebook on your account a short time ago.

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We're talking so much about, everybody's talking about AI these days, but I thought it was
interesting that your take on AI when it comes to human communication, you draw the line

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there.

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Like that is a no-go for you.

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Tell me what sort of led to this post and sort of what the gist of the post was.

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Yeah, it was probably, I think I posted it out of frustration, if I can just be real,
Jeremy.

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I think I was just frustrated.

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And I tried not to make that known in the post, and I think I kept it pretty nice, and I
posted it on all platforms.

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But I was just like, man, we gotta, there's gotta be some human element to this thing,
right?

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And I think it was just one of those days where I had so many emails come in, and it was
people um gushing about how I'm a beacon of light, right?

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I'm like, like.

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I'm glad you got that, But I'm like, what do those words mean?

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And I got so many of them and they went from like, was a pitch to be on my podcast, it was
a collaboration opportunity and all these different things.

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And I'm just like, I'm reading it and I'm a person who I really appreciate kind words and
maybe words of gratification, one of my love languages, like if you ever go back to that

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five love language thing, maybe that's one of them.

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And so when I know it's not human, I just tend to roll my eyes at it.

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It's more frustrating than the else.

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like, I know that like this isn't real.

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I appreciate what you're trying to say, but you're not saying it.

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I'd be much happier if you just said it to me, right?

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mean, if it wasn't as elegant or anything like that.

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So I posted it out of this place of frustration, I think, Jeremy.

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It's kind of like where it came from.

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So what's interesting about it though is so much of it is a language tool.

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And so if it's not used for communication, where do you see uh positive use of AI?

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Yeah, I like that you bring that up.

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That is ultimately what it's about.

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So for me, it's if I do get stuck on something, right?

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English is my only language, but I'm not great at it.

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So there's a word that can be spelt three different ways.

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That's when I'll go to AI, because I used to use Google for that.

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And it's funny, I feel like Google and other search engines, never would really be
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It's like, OK, there's still...

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You've got to listen to say this or this.

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I'm like, no, there's no this or this, right?

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AI has done a very good job of saying, hey, in that context, this is what you should do.

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So it's been very quick to get me unstuck with things like that.

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Or if I feel like I'm being too wordy, like I can go in and say, hey, is there a way I can
shorten this up a little bit?

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Like, here's what I'm trying to say.

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And the thing is I never like copy paste it always like, that's good and change it to be
the way that I want it.

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I think it's great for that.

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It's really good for us podcasters like transcripts and stuff like that.

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mean,

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I used to have someone on my team who literally would type up a transcript for the podcast
episodes because that was the way to do it.

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I mean, we're going back a while now, right?

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But that was how you did it.

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And we really wanted to be accessible because we, don't know, this is still kind of
strange to me, but we had people that were consuming our podcasts that were deaf, but they

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were very interested in podcasting.

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And I was like, oh, well, that's fascinating.

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Like you're interested in an audio platform, right?

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I'm like, what do do here?

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And so we hired someone.

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I can still remember the number.

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We were spending just under $16,000 a year to have this person doing the

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as soon as AI came out, mean, faster and in all honesty, more accurate at times.

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So it was like, man, that's a great use case for something like that.

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And then I think developmental, like from a developmental level, like with coding and
stuff like that is brilliant.

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So my co-founder, Jesse, he uses it, I mean, all the time.

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And often it's just for him to brainstorm.

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Cause when we started this, he's like, one thing I'll miss is I used to work, I had a team
of other developers I worked with.

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And when we first started is before AI was

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a thing and he's like, I'm alone now.

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He's like, so I workshop with a whiteboard and like as soon as AI started getting smart
enough to kind of keep up with him in some ways, he felt like had this thing to bounce

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ideas off of and apparently he says it is absolutely phenomenal for that.

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um those are some ways to do it and listen, I get that not everyone is a writer
necessarily or like a speaker.

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And that's okay, but I do think at some point you're shorting yourself if you're not
learning to develop that skill and you're just saying, AI, do it for me.

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Like you don't grow by doing that, right?

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I don't know if remember this Jeremy, but this was like, the best example I gave was like
20, maybe it was like 20 years ago, there was those TV commercials for like this thing you

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put on your abs and it gets you jacked overnight, right?

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Like it just gets you shredded.

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I don't know if it worked, but in my mind it's like, hey, we're gonna get you jacked, but
you're not gonna do the work.

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I don't.

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I imagine it didn't work, but maybe it did, Jeremy.

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I don't know if you were an early investor or anything like that, so it'll be nice here.

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You can tell by my background the millions that I've made off the ad flags.

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Yeah.

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Anyway, I'm rambling here a little bit, but the point is I think there are very good use
cases for it.

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I think that a friend in podcasting said it really well.

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It's not a matter of if we are going to use AI, it's how we're going to use it.

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And I think that all of us need to hit the point where we embrace it, but we find where
our conviction begins and we don't let AI infiltrate past that point.

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Yeah, it's interesting.

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mean, a couple things about it that stand out from what you're saying.

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And one is the idea that, you know, so much of technology, I feel, in the last 25-ish
years has been an effort to try to make the world a more social place, but has sort of

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done it backwards.

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And the opposite result has occurred.

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And I think this is another giant step in that direction.

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Because I mean, I do use AI for emails, primarily work emails.

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If I'm writing to a friend, don't need my words turned into something that will be well
received on their end.

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But if I'm writing to a customer, I might need to find the right way to professionally,
empathetically say what I need to say.

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Because a lot of times, especially in a business relationship, you might be operating from
a position of anger or frustration.

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And you don't want to come across as, hey, we're going to just drop the hammer on you if
you don't get your act together.

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But if that's where you're starting emotionally, you can dump that into AI and say, hey,
make this a little softer.

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Make this what I mean for it to be.

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And I find a lot of times I'm just like, man, if I got this email, I probably would
respond and would probably respond appropriately.

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And so for me, it's been really helpful in trying to find what I'm trying to say without
the emotion.

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And that's one of the brilliant things about it for me.

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I don't know, what are your thoughts on that?

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that.

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think that I like that use case, but what I imagine you do is you probably read what it
says.

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I think that if I go back to my frustration when I was posting about it, and by the way,
for listeners, what I post was basically like, why are we, what are we even doing here,

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right?

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Like, why is there a human even writing this at this point if we're not gonna...

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If we're just gonna go back and forth with our AI tools, right?

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I could tell that the individuals were saying this, they didn't even read it.

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They said, write me something for Alex, I wanna collaborate with him, send.

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And it's like, man, there's just, it lacked the depth, right?

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So Jeremy, if you're like, hey, here's what I wanna say, I don't wanna be rude, I don't
wanna be mean, you're adding depth to it.

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And the thing is, it is great at articulating, right?

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And especially if you go back and read it, and I'm sure that you massage it a little bit,
you're like, listen, like, I don't need to use these words, right?

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and I'm like, I'm gonna put this to the table, right?

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Exactly.

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So for me, it's just the spray and pray method where it's like, just write this and I'll
collaborate with this individual.

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And as podcast host, can't imagine how many pitches you're getting for people because you
have a very good show here.

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I can't imagine how many people are wanting to be on your show and you're getting the same
thing from everybody.

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It just has zero depth.

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You can tell they don't know anything about it.

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They sent the same email to 100 people and the AI just changed the name and the podcast
title, right?

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There's so much to

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the old fashioned, you know, hey, podcast superstar, like instead of like even using your
like they didn't even bother to find your name, right?

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Even even pre AI and now they're all literally just never never.

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Okay, so I do want to nerd out on podcasting a little bit because this is a podcast.

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There's probably some podcasters listening.

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What are some use cases you see within the podcasting space that are effective in using
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There's so many of them.

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The first thing I'll just kind of start from the top of a podcast, the titles and
descriptions for your episodes, it is great for that.

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And again, I always tell people like go through and make sure it comes out good because
sometimes it doesn't, but it can do all the key word research you need to do.

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And if we go back,

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to 2019, let's say, like I'm going a while back.

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Like if you just use the right words and a title and description of a podcast, like it's
almost guaranteed it was gonna get listenership, because most people just weren't doing

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that.

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Like if you name this episode of Conversation with Alex Sanfilippo, which is what we were
doing in 2019, no one can spell it, no one can say it, no one knows what that means or who

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Alex is, right?

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But like the thing is, if you go to AM, be like, hey, this is what we talked about, and I
really think that these are important keywords for it.

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It's gonna write you a really good title and description that's gonna make a person say,
that's what I wanna hear.

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Beyond that, there's a transcription side of things which I think is great and even some
of the interview prep I think is really, is becoming really exciting.

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Now, I don't think it should do it for you because if you remove the human voice of what
we're having going on right now, Jeremy, like there's no point in listening.

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Like it's got to have a lot of depth.

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That's one of the beauties of podcasting.

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And so for me, like I've been really big on that side of things, helping me with my
research so I can get focused on where we want it to go.

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And that's one of the big things I use it for now.

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Okay, I just, want to show you this because the fact that you said that is incredibly
ironic because I do, before every episode, I run a bunch of stuff through Gemini, Claude,

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ChattyPT, whatever, but I've found that I'm...

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almost always ignoring almost everything that I get as a result, but it just helps me
think about where do I want this conversation to go?

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Like I've got, I've got two different pages of how I prepped for this interview.

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I have literally not looked at either.

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I've got notes above the screen.

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have not looked at once since we started talking and we're 10 minutes in because I I'm,
I've always just been a believer in organic conversation is always going to be more

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interesting than whatever I've prepped for anyways.

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But I just want you to see some of, uh, some of what it came up with.

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Let me just find this here.

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yeah, I'm definitely curious.

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And by the way, I think that, I didn't even hit on this earlier, but I think you just said
it Jeremy, the biggest thing AI does for me is gets me unstuck.

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Like if I can go back to my days of being in school, like everyone's like, the first
sentence, the first paragraph, the first chapter, like that's the hardest thing to write.

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And it is, it's cause you're stuck.

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And all it does, it often will give you five results.

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I'm like, no, no, no, no, these all suck, right?

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I'm like, but it gave me an idea and now I can move forward.

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So, I...

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getting that blank page.

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But yeah, so I just was like, I took your post and just said, hey, prepare a line of
questions that take people on a journey of using AI.

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And the answer, like if I had gone with the script, Alex, thank you for joining us.

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Your recent Facebook post about AI and direct human communication really resonated with a
lot of people.

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You wrote, blah, Like if I read these questions verbatim, you would be sitting there dying
right now.

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Like, why didn't you just have the robot do the interview?

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This is horrible.

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So, but.

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read that second one, hold on, everyone's gotta hear that.

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That second one, just the start of it, it's perfect.

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You used a fantastic analogy mentioning Cyrano de Bergerac in real life.

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For those unfamiliar, it's a story where someone else crafts beautiful words for another
to woo someone.

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Can you elaborate on why that comparison feels so apt for you when you encounter AI
generated messages?

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Like you would just be sitting there going like, what are you talking about?

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You're an idiot.

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Why did I join this podcast?

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So then I took it and I went, okay, clearly I'm not going to read this nonsense.

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And I went, just give me some bullet points.

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dumb this down for me, make it really simple.

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So here's kind of like a guide of the same ideas, which some of them were relevant, pasted
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went, okay, I've got an idea of where I want this to go.

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But inevitably you say something interesting, I'm a human being, I respond to what you
said, and hopefully what I say is interesting, and the conversation just goes from there.

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Yeah, think that, see, you did a great job like massaging this down to where it makes
sense, but also like you said, like, you gotta follow the direction of the conversation,

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man.

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I think back, this was a conversation I listened to probably 20, I'm like always dating
myself, I don't why I'm doing this, in the 2010s at some point, but I heard a podcast and

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the guest was like a Hall of Fame baseball player and he said there was one thing that
happened that day that caused us to win that game.

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And the host goes, wow, that's amazing.

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So I wanted to ask you about your childhood.

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I was like,

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I literally paused it, I was out for a walk, I paused it and stopped, I went back, I'm
like, did I miss it?

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And I'm like, this idiot wasn't even listening to the guest, he just has his list of
questions.

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And I think that if we aren't present in our interviews, that's what we miss, is I
actually really wanted to know what caused that day to become a win versus a loss, I never

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circled back to it.

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Right?

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What a miss, that's the thing, if we get married to our questions, whether we make them or
not, like it just, that's not how conversations work, right?

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You can...

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In a real life conversation, if we were sitting face to face, you can tell if I'm
listening to you to respond or listening to you to learn.

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And there is a very, very big difference.

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Yeah, So you are using some AI in PodMatch.

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using it to develop some tools.

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I've been a big fan of PodMatch forever.

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I've been on it for a long time.

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When I'm not using guests, I still get tons of emails from people saying, through PodMatch
saying, hey, let's connect on this.

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How are you guys using it without revealing any trade secrets?

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within the platform itself.

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Yeah, sure.

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I'm an open book with this stuff for anyone listening who has no idea what pod match is.

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It's a service that connects podcast guests and hosts for interviews.

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It works really similar to a dating app, but instead of connecting people for dates, it
connects people for podcast interviews like us here today.

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We actually were messaging back and forth in pod match to get the schedule and stuff.

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So that was the whole idea around it.

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The first one we use is in the matching.

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It's interesting.

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We've been using AI since 2020.

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We built like a miniature version of an AI.

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It wasn't like generative AI like we see today, but it was to help with the matching
algorithm.

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Like we wanted something that could get more intelligent over time, understand the
behavior of people.

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And so we built it, we initially had on our homepage, AI matching.

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And it's funny, Jeremy, back then no one liked that.

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People were like, that sounds like Terminator 2, I saw that movie, I'm not gonna be on
that platform.

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So we just changed it to be like matching, podcast, guest, and host.

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And now it's funny, if we put that on there now, people would be like, whoa, AI, right?

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look at you, you're ahead of the curve.

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Yeah.

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we use it for that.

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Beyond that, we use it uh to show a match alignment.

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on the profile, like if I'm on your profile for your podcast, there's a button that says
match alignment.

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Say, hey, Alex, here's how you and Jeremy, this is where you all kind of align on some
things.

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This is how you can really serve really well together when it comes to listeners.

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Personally, that's my favorite thing we have because that can tell me is there actually
some true value can add to people that are listening.

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And then beyond that for the host, we give some ideas of direction for the interview, some
possible interview questions and like a big takeaway.

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And for the guest, it's what the host wants, what the guest wants, sorry, what the host
wants, what the listeners want.

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And then like the big takeaway.

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And we keep it pretty short.

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We don't do too much because we don't want to turn hosts and guests into machines, right?

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We want people to leave room for creativity.

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The idea is to give them an idea, a direction that

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would be really unique to that specific audience to serve them well.

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Those are some of ways that we use it.

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Beyond that, again, we use it for transcripts.

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use it for...

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uh certain types of blog posts, if it's like an episode blog post where we don't go into a
whole lot of detail.

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Like I love writing, I still enjoy writing blog posts.

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So if there's one that's like actually something I'm sharing and beyond like a podcast
episode, it's me.

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But yeah, we use it for things like that.

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And I'll tell you what, we have three less staff members than we had when we started with
AI going back just the last two years.

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So it is coming to take our jobs.

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It's true.

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It's really happening.

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It depends, I guess.

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It depends on what people were doing.

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So for us, that was the content people, I guess.

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And the reality is they were all part-time contract people.

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I don't think there was any...

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They left on good terms.

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Good, good, Yeah, no worries.

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I am curious, do you use it?

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I mean, we talked a little bit about writing, obviously, but do you use it in other ways?

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Like one example that has come up frequently in the short time we've been doing the show
in this way is using it as a therapy tool.

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Like people will, and I've done this when I've been in bad times.

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I'll just open my heart to AI and get all kinds of great perspective and ideas.

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Do you use it in any sort of unconventional way that maybe people don't think of?

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Yeah, I um use it to help me with my nutrition and fitness, actually.

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Thanks, man.

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I don't know, I really enjoyed your episode with Dr.

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Ajit.

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uh

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That was really good.

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By the way, for anyone who wants a good laugh, it came, I wrote this down because I want
to make sure I mentioned this, but go back to the episode on May 21st, 2025.

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It's called when you should trust machine with your life.

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Uh, super, super good, like a really great informative episode and absolutely hysterical.

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So, um, had a blast listening to it.

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I'll probably go listen to it again, but basically I use grok for this.

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So that's X's AI tool.

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just found that it seemed to, I don't know why, but for some reason, that one seemed to
give me information that I most trusted.

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And I understand.

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and nutrition fairly well, but basically what I've kind of designed it to do is I showed
it everything that I do, right?

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Like here's how I work out, here's how I eat, I'm very regiment with all this.

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And here's like my goals and I want to help get me there.

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also I fed it, have you ever heard of 10X Health?

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Are you familiar with that organization?

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Okay, so my wife and I, did the 10X Health, the whole deal.

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So we got like, I think it's like 700 pages of reports.

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like,

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In all honesty, I'm never gonna go through that.

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It's cool they sent to me, but I was like, I wonder if Brock could read all this and only
this.

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Sure enough, I sent it to it and I said, okay, when I'm making changes based off what we
learned from this, tell me if it's a good or bad move.

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And it turns out I was doing a handful of things where it's like, you really shouldn't eat
this because your body doesn't digest it very well according to page number, blah, blah,

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blah, blah, blah.

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And I was like, that is perfect.

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That's what I wanted.

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And so for me, I've actually seen my fitness, my energy, even my sleep, all those things
have improved since I've used this basically as a weekly check-in assistant.

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it's kind of a game changer.

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I'll be real.

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I feel like I have somebody who knows everything about me critiquing every move, and
that's exactly what I want.

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That's really cool.

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I've been experimenting with, um, like I've, I've never found a, a nutrition tracker that
I like, or that I can stick with for more than a few days, but it's so interesting to be

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able to just, and I know there are so many tools that are close with just being able to
take a picture and analyze it and tell you exactly what's in there and, you know, break

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down all the macros and all that.

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But for now, you can literally just keep a journal, like a Gemini screen open all day and
go like I'm eating.

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a bowl of cereal and, you know, whatever.

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And just like, just keep a log.

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And then at the end, go analyze this for macronutrients calories.

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And, I also did this workout today.

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Where am I?

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And it literally can be your calorie tracker and your macro tracker just by keeping a page
open all day, rather than like trying to find in the scroll of a thousand food items.

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it's not quite that one, but that's close.

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Like that that's been really interesting to use it in that way to see, uh, you know, if it
can help me sort of meet my goals in that way.

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I think it's a great use case for it.

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Another example is my wife does the same thing.

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So she kind of built out the same exact model.

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She goes to F45, which is like a functional fitness group training type of thing.

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And so she goes there every day.

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Well, it's like the regular fitness trackers asking like, how many calories did you burn?

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She's like, well, I don't know.

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And it's like, well, tell us about the workout.

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She's like, I did like 75 movements in 45 minutes.

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And so what she's able to do is she goes something like grok and uses deep search and
says, hey, here was the name of the workout I did at F45.

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post it somewhere and typically say based off of what we know about you and the workout
because we know what it is this is what you just burned.

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um It's like man instead of guessing taking 20 minutes to log it it was like the press of
a button now and so she's able to see if she's hitting that goal she has every day.

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Again same thing I just shared I think that's I think that's a great use case to have this
thing as a personal assistant for you from a health nutritional standpoint.

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personal trainer, like you don't even need the personal trainer anymore.

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Like I have an app that tells me exactly what to lift and when to lift it and how often to
lift it.

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And then I combine that with the telling the other machine what I ate today.

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And once all of those things are combined and I'm telling you, think that the ability like
my aura ring, I can now take a picture and it'll analyze.

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You know what I it won't break down calories and macros But it'll tell you sort of timing
in terms of what you ate and when and how it's gonna affect your sleep But once they can

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take a picture of that thing and go this is what's in there All of sudden tracking is
mindless like you don't have to scroll and find that they just boom picture boom picture

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And then you're realizing oh I ate 14 times today.

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Maybe that was my problem.

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Perhaps I didn't need 14 meals

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The two bags of chips in the two movies, it seems like that's not good for you.

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Who would have known?

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Thank God.

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You know, actually, I do still have a personal trainer, I think I always will.

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It's the kick in the butt that I need.

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Like today I was...

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doing RDLs and I wasn't quite getting like the extent, the extension I needed to and she
just literally walked up behind me and goes boop and like kicked my knee a little bit and

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she's like, you need to be more like that.

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I don't know if a machine ever gets to that point where it's like, hey, you were close,
but hold on, let's get you to do this instead.

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Maybe, yeah, let's see.

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It's getting little too, what, iRobot, is that what that's called, Will Smith?

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All right, yeah, it's getting a little too, I don't know, man, we'll see.

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Yeah, that and um the one thing that I don't know if AI will ever truly be able to do is
be the kind of the accountability partner that that personal trainer is right, like

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whether it's you're paying money for them or just you're in front of them and you have to
show up and be accountable for your actions.

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I don't know that the robots are ever going to care enough to be the accountability
partner we need.

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true.

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Cool, Alex, this has been awesome.

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I really appreciate you making time.

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I know you're a super busy guy, so this really means a lot.

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uh Where can we learn more about you and PodMatch?

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Yeah man, I appreciate you having me.

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This was a lot of fun.

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I've actually never gotten to talk about this or be on a podcast like this one.

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So this is really cool and as someone who's listened to it, man, I really appreciate what
you're doing.

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So, honored to have been here today.

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For anyone who wants to see more about me, podmatch.com forward slash free.

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It's all podcasting.

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So if you're not interested in podcasting, no worries.

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But if you are, can show you about, talk to you about being a guest, a host, or aspiring
guest or host whatever I be and that's just podmatch.com slash free.

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But Jeremy, I really appreciate what you and Jason do here, man.

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Some really cool work here.

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Thank you so much, Coming from you, that especially really means a lot.

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I really appreciate it.

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man.

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There you have it, Alex Sanfilippo, really cool dude.

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His website, as he just said, podmatch.com forward slash free.

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Check that out if you are a podcaster and you're looking for guests, you're looking to
collaborate, you're looking to grow your podcasting community.

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That is the place I recommend a lot of podcasters to,

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and I recommend it to you as well.

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So check that out and check out his podcast.

408
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He has a great one as well.

409
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It is linked in the show notes for this episode and you can find those at thefitmass.com
and that's where you're going to find another episode from us in just a few days.

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Again, thefitmass.com.

411
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Thanks so much for listening.

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We'll see you then.